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« on: March 10, 2010, 08:16:13 AM »

For this hit



First view I thought it was an accident and people need to get over it, that's hockey.  Upon watching it several times and in slow motion, he had a chance to pull up.  It was a dirty hit and a cheap shot.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 09:13:03 AM »

Matt Cooke is such a pansy faggot I find it amazing he doesn't play for the Red Wings.
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 12:12:37 PM »

Pull up.....all he did was make contact....still dont see why this is a big deal.

No charge.....he doesn't lean in.....unfortunate for Savard.
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 02:17:23 PM »

Are shoulders to the head illegal yet?  I didn't think so. 

All he does is line up and skate through.  It didn't look like he extended his elbow or anything.  Brutal hit.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 05:14:02 PM »

More cases of punishing the injury instead of the intent.  The NHL really needs to get away from this shit.   If Savard gets right up and skates away it's not even a penalty, but the fucking league feels like they have to have at least one suspension for every injury in the league. 
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 05:45:23 PM »

More cases of punishing the injury instead of the intent.  The NHL really needs to get away from this shit.   If Savard gets right up and skates away it's not even a penalty, but the fucking league feels like they have to have at least one suspension for every injury in the league. 

But what is the intent when you hit a guy in the head? I think he had a chance to abandon or considerably lessen the hit when he saw how exposed Savard was going to be, and he didn't. I'm all in favor of harsh punishment when it comes to blows to the head.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 06:50:19 PM »

More cases of punishing the injury instead of the intent.  The NHL really needs to get away from this shit.   If Savard gets right up and skates away it's not even a penalty, but the fucking league feels like they have to have at least one suspension for every injury in the league. 

But what is the intent when you hit a guy in the head? I think he had a chance to abandon or considerably lessen the hit when he saw how exposed Savard was going to be, and he didn't. I'm all in favor of harsh punishment when it comes to blows to the head.

I just see a guy skating toward the puck carrier....

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 08:31:57 PM »

More cases of punishing the injury instead of the intent.  The NHL really needs to get away from this shit.   If Savard gets right up and skates away it's not even a penalty, but the fucking league feels like they have to have at least one suspension for every injury in the league. 

But what is the intent when you hit a guy in the head? I think he had a chance to abandon or considerably lessen the hit when he saw how exposed Savard was going to be, and he didn't. I'm all in favor of harsh punishment when it comes to blows to the head.

I just see a guy skating toward the puck carrier....



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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 04:19:05 AM »

there's just no reason for that shit.  he wasn't skating towards the body, he was skating directly towards the head.  just, "oops, your head just hit my shoulder."  no reason.  he's a repeat offender and i hope he gets to sit for quite some time.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 04:59:02 AM »

He received no suspension.

However, the NHL said they are going to change the rules next year.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 07:02:31 AM »

He received no suspension.

However, the NHL said they are going to change the rules next year.

So the message for the rest of this season: BOOM, headshot.
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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 07:20:15 AM »

He received no suspension.

However, the NHL said they are going to change the rules next year.

So the message for the rest of this season: BOOM, headshot.

If you play for the Sid Crosby All-Stars, yes.

If you play for some nondescript team in flyover country who doesn't even have a player worthy of appearing in those NHL commercials, you get five games.
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 08:52:33 AM »

The hit above = Zero games


This = 5 games



Someone explain that to me.
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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 09:05:14 AM »

Hockey is getting so pvssified.  A player need not debate the ethics of hitting a guy with his head down before laying the wood.  That hit isn't illegal (for now).  What happened to the calls of "he should keep his head up and expect to get hit there?"  Matt Cooke is an asshole.  That much is a given.  The deterrent to this sort of stuff used to be a big gorilla coming off the bench next time cooke was on the ice and making blood spurt from his nose and ears.  If the beating was bad enough to where the guy's career was ended and the player was good enough and well-liked the league would eventually name a trophy after him.

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 09:08:38 AM »

Someone explain that to me.

The Janssen hit wasn't legal by any standard.  Its not that it was a headshot.  It was the fact that it was a headshot delivered 10 seconds after the guy last touched the puck.  Again, the league's penalty was determined by the injury, not the act.  The hit was still illegal, though.
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2010, 10:33:38 AM »

Hockey is getting so pvssified.  A player need not debate the ethics of hitting a guy with his head down before laying the wood.  That hit isn't illegal (for now).  What happened to the calls of "he should keep his head up and expect to get hit there?"

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That was my exact reaction when I first saw the highlight.  You can't wander the high slot firing pucks indiscriminately without getting knocked on your ass every so often.  Like it or not, injurious result or not...what Cooke did was within the rules as they're currently written (or at least within my interpretation of the rules).

* Wasn't elbowing...his elbow was tucked in.
* Wasn't charging...he didn't take several purposeful strides toward Savard & thru the hit.
* Wasn't roughing...it could be argued as roughing, but that's generally called when hands get up into faces.
* Wasn't interference...the hit was virtually simultaneous with Savard's shot.
* Wasn't boarding...as Savard was nowhere near the boards.

Same damn thing could've happened to Sharp when Weaver demolished him in open ice earlier this year...except that Weaver is Lilliputian and Sharp has decent size. 
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2010, 10:41:57 AM »

Hockey is getting so pvssified.  A player need not debate the ethics of hitting a guy with his head down before laying the wood.  That hit isn't illegal (for now).  What happened to the calls of "he should keep his head up and expect to get hit there?"

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That was my exact reaction when I first saw the highlight.  You can't wander the high slot firing pucks indiscriminately without getting knocked on your ass every so often.  Like it or not, injurious result or not...what Cooke did was within the rules as they're currently written (or at least within my interpretation of the rules).

* Wasn't elbowing...his elbow was tucked in.
* Wasn't charging...he didn't take several purposeful strides toward Savard & thru the hit.
* Wasn't roughing...it could be argued as roughing, but that's generally called when hands get up into faces.
* Wasn't interference...the hit was virtually simultaneous with Savard's shot.
* Wasn't boarding...as Savard was nowhere near the boards.

Same damn thing could've happened to Sharp when Weaver demolished him in open ice earlier this year...except that Weaver is Lilliputian and Sharp has decent size. 

The difference I still see is the direct blow to the head. Weaver hit Sharp in the chest, you can see on the last replay from ice level. I have no problem with a guy getting his clock cleaned for having his head down, as long as it's not a direct blow to the head. Apparently a direct blow to the head is still not illegal, and I do think that's retarded. I also think sanscrit is right that if Bettman hadn't started the bullshit of stopping the players from policing themselves you wouldn't be seeing blows to the head, fags like Cooke would be too scared to do it. But if you're going to have the rules Buttman has, then stop the blows to the head. Players often never are the same after a headshot, it shouldn't be part of the game.

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2010, 11:04:36 AM »

The difference I still see is the direct blow to the head. Weaver hit Sharp in the chest, you can see on the last replay from ice level. I have no problem with a guy getting his clock cleaned for having his head down, as long as it's not a direct blow to the head. Apparently a direct blow to the head is still not illegal, and I do think that's retarded. I also think sanscrit is right that if Bettman hadn't started the bullshit of stopping the players from policing themselves you wouldn't be seeing blows to the head, fags like Cooke would be too scared to do it. But if you're going to have the rules Buttman has, then stop the blows to the head. Players often never are the same after a headshot, it shouldn't be part of the game.


Watching the Hawks feed made me rage.  Any way, I agree totally. If this was a body check I wouldn't have a problem with it. The puck was on goal when the hit occurred, not even close to simultaneous, but I could buy the "committed to the check" argument if there had been a body check like Weaver's. Cooke just did a drive-by headshot.  Dirty, dirty hit.
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2010, 11:25:52 AM »

The difference I still see is the direct blow to the head. Weaver hit Sharp in the chest, you can see on the last replay from ice level. I have no problem with a guy getting his clock cleaned for having his head down, as long as it's not a direct blow to the head. Apparently a direct blow to the head is still not illegal, and I do think that's retarded. I also think sanscrit is right that if Bettman hadn't started the bullshit of stopping the players from policing themselves you wouldn't be seeing blows to the head, fags like Cooke would be too scared to do it. But if you're going to have the rules Buttman has, then stop the blows to the head. Players often never are the same after a headshot, it shouldn't be part of the game.


Watching the Hawks feed made me rage.  Any way, I agree totally. If this was a body check I wouldn't have a problem with it. The puck was on goal when the hit occurred, not even close to simultaneous, but I could buy the "committed to the check" argument if there had been a body check like Weaver's. Cooke just did a drive-by headshot.  Dirty, dirty hit.

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2010, 12:48:15 PM »

every coach in the NHL should have their equivalent of King Pound this fucker's face in once or twice a game.  That should be the rule: you decide to be a pussy and go headhunting, then every goon in the game punchifies your face for the rest of the season.
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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2010, 01:46:27 PM »

Hockey is getting so pvssified.  A player need not debate the ethics of hitting a guy with his head down before laying the wood.  That hit isn't illegal (for now).  What happened to the calls of "he should keep his head up and expect to get hit there?"

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That was my exact reaction when I first saw the highlight.  You can't wander the high slot firing pucks indiscriminately without getting knocked on your ass every so often.  Like it or not, injurious result or not...what Cooke did was within the rules as they're currently written (or at least within my interpretation of the rules).

* Wasn't elbowing...his elbow was tucked in.
* Wasn't charging...he didn't take several purposeful strides toward Savard & thru the hit.
* Wasn't roughing...it could be argued as roughing, but that's generally called when hands get up into faces.
* Wasn't interference...the hit was virtually simultaneous with Savard's shot.
* Wasn't boarding...as Savard was nowhere near the boards.

Same damn thing could've happened to Sharp when Weaver demolished him in open ice earlier this year...except that Weaver is Lilliputian and Sharp has decent size. 

The difference I still see is the direct blow to the head. Weaver hit Sharp in the chest, you can see on the last replay from ice level. I have no problem with a guy getting his clock cleaned for having his head down, as long as it's not a direct blow to the head. Apparently a direct blow to the head is still not illegal, and I do think that's retarded. I also think sanscrit is right that if Bettman hadn't started the bullshit of stopping the players from policing themselves you wouldn't be seeing blows to the head, fags like Cooke would be too scared to do it. But if you're going to have the rules Buttman has, then stop the blows to the head. Players often never are the same after a headshot, it shouldn't be part of the game.



Re: comparison to the Weaver hit...you made the point I was trying to make.  Because Weavs is so short, it was almost impossible for him to contact Sharp's head.  But if Weavs were 6'2" and Sharp were bent over slightly...you bet it might have turned out the same.

I don't disagree that the Cooke hit was dirty...I was just stating that it was legal, and therefore not suspension-worthy.
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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2010, 01:48:46 PM »

The difference I still see is the direct blow to the head. Weaver hit Sharp in the chest, you can see on the last replay from ice level. I have no problem with a guy getting his clock cleaned for having his head down, as long as it's not a direct blow to the head. Apparently a direct blow to the head is still not illegal, and I do think that's retarded. I also think sanscrit is right that if Bettman hadn't started the bullshit of stopping the players from policing themselves you wouldn't be seeing blows to the head, fags like Cooke would be too scared to do it. But if you're going to have the rules Buttman has, then stop the blows to the head. Players often never are the same after a headshot, it shouldn't be part of the game.


Watching the Hawks feed made me rage.  Any way, I agree totally. If this was a body check I wouldn't have a problem with it. The puck was on goal when the hit occurred, not even close to simultaneous, but I could buy the "committed to the check" argument if there had been a body check like Weaver's. Cooke just did a drive-by headshot.  Dirty, dirty hit.

Point conceded on the "simultaneous" claim.  I re-watched the whole video that included the slo-mo replays, and it wasn't as close as I originally thought. 
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« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2010, 01:55:04 PM »

But if you're going to have the rules Buttman has, then stop the blows to the head.

agreed.  if bettman is going to take the teeth out of players policing themselves then he needs to change the rule.

hits like this are definitely bad for the game.
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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2010, 02:18:45 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2010, 04:26:32 AM »

The difference I still see is the direct blow to the head. Weaver hit Sharp in the chest, you can see on the last replay from ice level. I have no problem with a guy getting his clock cleaned for having his head down, as long as it's not a direct blow to the head. Apparently a direct blow to the head is still not illegal, and I do think that's retarded. I also think sanscrit is right that if Bettman hadn't started the bullshit of stopping the players from policing themselves you wouldn't be seeing blows to the head, fags like Cooke would be too scared to do it. But if you're going to have the rules Buttman has, then stop the blows to the head. Players often never are the same after a headshot, it shouldn't be part of the game.


Watching the Hawks feed made me rage.  Any way, I agree totally. If this was a body check I wouldn't have a problem with it. The puck was on goal when the hit occurred, not even close to simultaneous, but I could buy the "committed to the check" argument if there had been a body check like Weaver's. Cooke just did a drive-by headshot.  Dirty, dirty hit.

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2010, 04:34:32 AM »

Repeal 56a and let the gorilla come off the bench to "handle" these situations.  Legal or illegal the price will be immediate retribution, and your coach can't protect you by keeping your line off the ice when the other teams bruiser is out there.
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2010, 06:46:33 AM »

i say exactly the same thing and you plus him?  i see how you are.  and to think i fathered children with you.

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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2010, 09:01:23 AM »

I don't like the wording of the new rules. At this rate, guys are going to just put their heads down while running through the center because, while in that position you can't be touched. It'll be a "Blindside" and impossible not to hit the head.
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2010, 07:02:22 PM »

To some extent, that's what's happened along the boards because of boarding and hitting from behind penalties.  The BEST way to protect the puck it to turn your back to the ice.  That used to be the stupidest thing you could do because you'd be creamed.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2010, 08:09:05 PM »

To some extent, that's what's happened along the boards because of boarding and hitting from behind penalties.  The BEST way to protect the puck it to turn your back to the ice.  That used to be the stupidest thing you could do because you'd be creamed.

LOL, the exact same thought went through my head. People get all excited about the "cycling" that goes on now, and all it is is guys skating back and forth passing the puck to each other with their back to the ice so they can't be hit. 98% of the time it results in nothing but running time off the clock in a very boring fashion, but the announcers get all excited about the "great sustained pressure" in the opponents zone.
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